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Post by micah6944 on Sept 6, 2013 18:30:54 GMT -5
Just recently learned that we are pushing for all three clans to have level 6 archers i know we have discussed this before but when all three clans are at level 6 requirments we will not have a place for the low level people. I am making the same offer as before i suggest we make a new edition to our clan based system so that we have a run off clan ... Note this doesn't have to happen right now this is a future suggestion but please give ur full honest opinions -thanks Micah Nelson  |
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Post by righteous on Sept 7, 2013 1:54:59 GMT -5
I agree that we should be pushing the clans forward, but also that we need a feeder clan for fresh blood at lower levels. Or our clans will eventually die in the long run when some people quit.
I thought that was the point of h2? Never been there so don't know the requirements or how its run.
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Post by VonnDutch on Sept 7, 2013 14:13:25 GMT -5
H1 made the requirement awhile back due to the fact we have 3/4's of the clan with them and did not want to take anymore players with lvl 5 and we raised cups some. Wharf and I discussed awhile back making H1 the "premier" clan and raising min cups to 1800 or so, even if farming, so it would encourage people below 1800 cups to go to Ad Pro and people farming above 1800 cups to join H1. This would help H1 keep a higher average cup level and in turn, help us attract higher level players. I would like to implement this, but would need people willing to come over from Ad Pro to H1 to fill the ranks. This is something that could be accomplished over a couple week span.
As for Ad Pro requiring lvl 6 archers, I have no real opinion on that, as I am not over in Ad Pro enough to feel I have fair input. I am currently there just to spend some time and get to know the players there.
H2 has been our feeder and we have gotten a few players from there to move up. I don't think they are or will ever require lvl 6 archers.
Micah, again I do not feel we warrant another clan at this time, if we just need to re-organize what we have I think we could benefit tremendously.
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Post by crash on Sept 8, 2013 21:09:45 GMT -5
With Ad Prov possibly going to level 75 minimum requirement, I do not see any other option but to one day have a lower level farming clan. Currently, hospitallers II is sitting at 46 members and cannot really handle any more people. currently there are 13/44 members of AP that would not be allowed into the clan if they weren't already members. Where do these quality people go if we are not wiling to accept them in AP? With clans, I do believe the adage of "IF you build it, they will come" is fitting.
I do think that each sub clan should have its own personality (H1 with high cups, H2 trying to get to high cups, AP - farming). More stringent adherance to these guidelines/personalities will encourage members to move between clans when they no longer meet criteria of a clan based upon what they are currently trying to do.
Ad Providam is a very good name for a farming clan of hospitallers from the historical point of view. If the concern is that AP would be its own sub clan (with an AP2), perhaps naming the clan H3 or something else, would be more palatable to the more senior members.
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Post by micah6944 on Sept 8, 2013 21:48:33 GMT -5
I highly appreciate everyone opinions their is still a mix of opinions and the situations still arnt right to just jump up and make a clan but its definantly gonna be needed when some of our members start dieing off it is invetable it will happen it never fails it just do u have enough members to constantly supply the amount u lose is all I'm saying ... But please keep in mind that someday soon u will need to start it eventually
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Post by VonnDutch on Sept 8, 2013 22:29:00 GMT -5
What I would like to see is more adherence to clan requirements. Wharf suggested prior to the last cup run and I agree with what he suggested. I would like to see H1 have a minimum of level 6 archers and 2000 cups, all the time. Most of us are farming in Crystal 3 or above now, which would make this possible. Then AP could be for members farming under 2000 cups and whatever other requirements we wish to impose. H2 can remain as is, seeming we have some success with members moving up. If we can accomplish this and still need another clan to help us grow, I am all for it, but as it sits, H1 is sitting with 40/50 members and request are sitting for an hour or so, which is something I think we should fix before adding another clan.
Just FYI, too, I took Vonndutch on a clan tour, trying to recruit some quality players, so if you see me in random clans, I am just trying to build relations with people who I think could help us in the future.
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Post by wharf on Sept 8, 2013 22:40:55 GMT -5
We are currently requiring new people though the door to be level 75. I don't think we're quite ready to require lvl 6 archers , but we're close. I'm not really sure that continuing to attract lower level people will be of any advantage to us at this point. We have had a few good players come out of h2 and there are a few players there currently that will eventually help out. Someone who's level 45 is so far away from helping us, I am now convinced that recruiting and developing more players in this area is not a good use of our efforts.
The other issue here is that we are not really using AP as a farming clan or h1 as our main clan. We basically have h1 people, AP people and there's not really any lateral movement except during pushes. I think that people get comfortable talking to the same folks and swapping donations with the same folks and would rather not move because they like their situation. I think if we started demanding that people move,a lot of folks would leave and i can't say that i blame them.
I think we have two options:
1. Keep things like they are. Everybody stays in their comfort zone and we keep farming. I think we could have a good shot to break the top 200 around Christmas time i we keep going like we are.
2. We could get all of the better players from AP who are good donators and active in chat to join h1. This way, none of the AP guys will have to leave their friends and it will make h1 super active. Meanwhile we could keep bringing i good people through AP.
Let me know what you AP guys think about option2
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Post by VonnDutch on Sept 8, 2013 22:54:38 GMT -5
I like Wharfs second suggestion. We need to combine the active players so the clan/s benefit because right now, our core members are split between the clans without any lateral movement.
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Post by rbvojtik on Sept 9, 2013 17:50:29 GMT -5
I don't think there is any reason that H1 shouldn't have a level 6 archer requirement. I am all for moving the higher level players to H1 and maintaining a higher trophy count. Everyone that is level 90 and up, can probably farm very successfully at 2000 (at least 1800). I am farming at 2200 and am hauling 3 million gold per day. If we push H1 to be the active, high level clan, people in the other clans will want to work to get there. The purpose of the other clans would be actualized.
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Post by VonnDutch on Sept 9, 2013 20:00:34 GMT -5
I don't think there is any reason that H1 shouldn't have a level 6 archer requirement. I am all for moving the higher level players to H1 and maintaining a higher trophy count. Everyone that is level 90 and up, can probably farm very successfully at 2000 (at least 1800). I am farming at 2200 and am hauling 3 million gold per day. If we push H1 to be the active, high level clan, people in the other clans will want to work to get there. The purpose of the other clans would be actualized. I second this. |
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Post by wreckingba1183 on Sept 9, 2013 22:32:18 GMT -5
I know that I haven't been very active in the forums and haven't been around quite as long, but from a bit of a newer member's perspective, there is little difference between Ad Pro and H1 in the off season (between runs). It also appears that the lateral movement between the two clans hurts the clans after the run. The members we kicked or didn't wish to participate have trickled back, but we haven't regained the momentum that was present before the run and based on Wharf's statement, neither has Ad Pro. I am all for putting the higher level players in one consolidated clan and letting Ad Pro continue to establish itself as a farming clan. I have a second account in H2 and don't think most of the members there realized the structure that they are apart of or are pushing themselves with the ambition of joining H1 or Ad Pro.
That's a long way to say I agree with Wharf's second option and RBV.
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Post by wreckingba1183 on Sept 9, 2013 22:33:36 GMT -5
Last thought was that the higher level players in one place would create a more attractive clan to higher level prospects and the after push "lull" would be minimized.
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Post by micah6944 on Sept 10, 2013 0:35:25 GMT -5
Well I agree on all accounts but i would like to ask to stay in ad prov maybe by the time i have level 6 archers i will move back to hp but staying in the masters league isn't where I can say atm it cost me way to much and I get wry little i need time to continue upgrading my troops but i would like to be at least one of the options for people to Lead when yall leave to hp
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Post by crash on Sept 11, 2013 8:14:50 GMT -5
Vonn or wharf--- can you post the guidelines AP and h1 will have. Many members in AP are confused/concerned and I would like to know what the party line is that I should tell them. I am still confused as to the differences unless h1 is going to have a higher cup limit , level 6 archers and the higher donation (1000 per week) limits.
Appreciate the clarification so we can move forward and keep all sub-clans healthy.
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Post by tarheelbrandon on Sept 11, 2013 8:33:54 GMT -5
I agree with crash, I'm a little unclear about whether I'm even eligible for the move. I'm active and a good donator, but I farm in the 1600s and am probably 2-3 weeks away from level 6 archers. Should I stay or go?
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